Dr. Julie Cradock O’Leary has made a career of research and practice all around shame. She is the co-author of the Thurston Cradock Test of Shame, a projective measure aimed at assessing shame in individuals of all ages.

In this one-hour audio interview, Dr. O’Leary talks with Dr. Jeremy Sharp of the Testing Psychologist Podcast all about shame: what it is, why it’s important, and how it might show up in  assessments.

This interview will open your eyes to some of the underlying emotions and processes that mental health professionals might miss in a more “data-driven” assessment.

Format: Asynchronous, distance learning. Non-interactive. Recorded audio with transcript.

This interview was published in August of 2019.

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Interview with Dr. Julie Cradock O’Leary

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Julie Cradock O’Leary, Ph.D. is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist in private practice in Anchorage, Alaska. She provides therapy and psychological assessments to children, adolescents and adults. She has a psychodynamic approach, influenced by self psychology.

Julie is co-author of the Thurston Cradock Test of Shame (TCTS), which was published by Western Psychological Services in 2009. Julie loves doing nearly all things shame and TCTS-related. She is passionate about helping people better understand shame dynamics and take steps to be kinder to themselves and others. She has presented on the TCTS at a variety of state, regional, national and international conferences for organizations such as the Society for Personality Assessment, American Psychological Association, Collaborative/Therapeutic Assessment Institute and International Play Therapy Association. Julie also presents on shame in clinical and academic settings, on topics such as the shame’s relationship to depression, severe mental illness, chronic medical illness, and other topics. She conducts workshops on TCTS administration, scoring and interpretation, and provides in-person and tele-consultation to professionals using the TCTS. Julie enjoys conducting research on the TCTS, especially with graduate students.

Julie is a member of the American Psychological Association, International Society for the Rorschach and Projective Methods, Society for Personality Assessment, and Therapeutic Assessment Institute. She is a reviewer for several journals, including the Journal of Personality Assessment and Rorschachiana.

Dr. Jeremy Sharp is a licensed psychologist and Clinical Director at the Colorado Center for Assessment & Counseling, a private practice that he founded in 2009 and grew to include nine licensed clinicians, three clinicians in training, and a full administrative staff. Dr. Sharp earned his undergraduate degree in Experimental Psychology from the University of South Carolina before getting his Master’s and PhD in Counseling Psychology from Colorado State University. These days, Dr. Sharp specializes in psychological and neuropsychological evaluation with kids and adolescents.

As the host of the Testing Psychologist Podcast, Dr. Sharp provides private practice consulting for psychologists and other mental health professionals who want to start or grow psychological testing services in their practices. He lives in Fort Collins, Colorado with his wife (also a therapist) and two young kids.

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